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jewishstargirl Posted - 26 May 2005 2:03
I just dont understand. After 10 years of a Bais Yaokov elementary school, and 2 years and in my 3rd of HS, I was never taught why to believe. Just to do it, because it says so in the Torah. Which is circular reasoning. You cant tell me to believe in the torah because it says so in the Torah.

After hearing Rabbi Mechanic speak, I now understand more. I still have questions, granted. But he actually proved it.

Why cant teachers do it? And Parents? If I were to ask my parents why I should believe, they would get angry most probably.

Eitz Shatool Posted - 25 July 2005 3:02
The last generation and ours is a world of difference. This is an ongoing cycle occurring since the beginning of time. My parents for example, when I bring a semi-intelligent conversation about religion and/or anything which can slightly give them some sort of Tircha, they want nothing of it. I have an amazing relationship with them but in the end you get ''Accept because we did''. Most of our grandparents where in the Holocaust and we're the fortunate ones who's grandparents stayed religious. This leads to our parents. Don't question they were told! Do you know what it was like in Siberia? Now I'm obviously generalizing seeing as my family is Yerushalmi straight from the GRA and didn't experience the Holocaust, but the point should be taken. They were tougher and questioned less. We're weak and question more, mostly motivated by lazy ness.

To be totally blunt, your question right now is your parents fear. To generalize again, ''A Good Beis Yaakov Girl'' on this open, freeminded, liberal, chippie (I stress the CH) website scares the life out of them. Your probably close to 18 or 19 years old. They expect grandkids soon, they don't need these ''Silly'' questions interfering getting them, I mean you a rich set of in laws with a Shviger to die for.

Or simply they just don't know the answers!

I hope I gave you some understanding, Lianiyat Daytee.

jewishstargirl Posted - 26 July 2005 15:46
Thank you for your post.

Actually, Im 16 years old. But my parents speak to me as if Im getting married next week.

It just bothers me that I can never bring up a conversation about belief. I tried to with my father, saying that girls in my class have questions, on why to believe.

He flipped out. "What? Why to believe? Thats apikores."

Now, my father is a very learned and respected man. But he thinks that I should believe, because Im told to do so. And that isnt true. If I didnt have the answers that I got to most of my questions, I probably would not believe.

So it just bothers me.

And teachers are just as bad, if not worse.

semfun Posted - 26 July 2005 16:09
jewishstargirl, I completely understand where you are coming from. I have found that a lot of parents and teachers just don't know how to respond. When I was in HS I heard Rabbi Mechanic and he made a lot of sense, but I wanted more. Then when I went to sem in Israel, I went on this program called Aishet. It was a kiruv training program on Motzei shabbos and it answered so many of my questions. I also had the opportunity to ask a lot of my questions, it was once of the best things I did my sem year. Besides for myself, I feel much more confidant if someone else asks me questions. I finally got the solid foundation I needed and I know I am not the only one who felt that way. I would say most of the other girls did as well.
stars20 Posted - 26 July 2005 16:09
When people push away questions, either they don't feel like answering b/c they don't want to give a whole lesson on it, or they don't know the answer and need to look it up.

When they don't answer, this makes people think there is none, when really there is. What the teen then needs to do is search until they find it. The problem is some give up searching instead of persevering.

Also I want to point out that if they are in a situation where they are being really pressured by their parents to obey and are not shown the beauty of following, they are likely to throw it off when they are on their own.

stars20 Posted - 26 July 2005 16:09
When people push away questions, either they don't feel like answering b/c they don't want to give a whole lesson on it, or they don't know the answer and need to look it up.

When they don't answer, this makes people think there is none, when really there is. What the teen then needs to do is search until they find it. The problem is some give up searching instead of persevering.

Also I want to point out that if they are in a situation where they are being really pressured by their parents to obey and are not shown the beauty of following, they are likely to throw it off when they are on their own.

VaYoel Moshe Posted - 27 July 2005 1:58
BS"D
if u need answers, why not read R' Kelleman's Permission to Believe or theres plenty of forums on this site and so many seforim out there (especially those by R' Kaplan zt'l)! hope everythings going ok for you

"Remember: Nothing begets wholeness in life better than a heartfelt SIGH"---Rebbe Nachman of Breslev ZTVK"L, Likutei Moharan I:8 (quoted in "The Empty Chair")

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stars20 Posted - 28 July 2005 1:33
And of course there's the book, 'Beyond a reasonable doubt'

And there's the forums, like VYM said.

What good about these forums is that people have others to talk to. They can ask questions from basic to hard. And if they are having a hard time in life, they can say how they feel and get comfort and reassurance.

VaYoel Moshe Posted - 28 July 2005 15:18
BS"D

stars20-

ditto to what u said

"Remember: Nothing begets wholeness in life better than a heartfelt SIGH"---Rebbe Nachman of Breslev ZTVK"L, Likutei Moharan I:8 (quoted in "The Empty Chair")

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tertiary Posted - 19 September 2005 15:23
im having the same problems as u could u tell me how Rabbi Machanic Proved it?
jewishstargirl Posted - 20 September 2005 19:28
Well, I cant say it all now, just because I dont remember it all now!

He first proved how only a G-d could create the Torah, because there are so many details about life in there that if they were proved un-true, no one would believe. For example, it says in the Torah that one cannot eat animals that do not chew their cud and have split hooves. It then lists them, and says that THESE ONLY wont have. The Torah was written over 2,000 years ago, I mean, its pretty bold of some guy to write that. Also, it says that all fish that have fins have scales. How can someone without knowledge of EVERY SINGLE FISH write that? It has to be a G-d.

He also proved how the Torah was the only given work of a religion given to many people. Christianity have one man saying their story, the Muslims as well. If there are witnesses, then they cant make it up. So we see again how Moshe or anyone couldnt have made up the Torah.

Obviously, I am saying it over horribly compared to Rabbi Mechanic. He is great. I recommend you trying to get him to speak at your school, or if you are out of school, to somehow get ahold of his tapes or a speech by him.

thedude Posted - 30 October 2005 15:22
Actually the correct version is: "all fish that have scales have fins" (ayin sharks etc.)

YOU Posted - 30 March 2007 4:35
jewish girl, you're 16 so I take it that you have baby sat before. Ever try to explain somthing remotly interesting to you to a child? Do they get it? Nope. Cuz their young. And that's why Rabbi M. doesn't speak to preschools. On a more serious note, you have to remeber that you are part of a klal, just because you are ready to hear something doesn't mean every one else is. If you remember, that's why Rabbi M. (yes, he came to my school too), speaks to 11th and 12th grades bec. by then the "teenage anger" hopefully has subsided and people are ready to be well, people. Ready to fend for themselvs and want to learn on thier own. And bec. you are entering the world you need to really know why your religon is RIGHT. Also, as Jews our number one belief is belief in Hashem you MUST be taught that from a young age. So we're taught as soon as possible at the level you can understand. If you think about belief it IS the core of your being, and shouldn't your core be strong somthing you have known is true your whole life?
PS I'm on the phone with a friend and she told me, Rav Hirsch says that every person is created with the knowledge that Hashem is one. Also, the Rambam says that avoda zarah was developed bec. ppl. knew there was some sort of higher power but bec. ppl. like to serve themselvs they chose to believe in things not all-powerfull. Basically you have to be firm in your beliefs before you expand on them. (I know it's an old cleche but), a mansion with a faulty foundation will fall. Hope I helped, YOU.
depressedAngel Posted - 30 March 2007 18:12
YOU, i really disagree. I just heared Rabbi mechanic recently and while it was amazing it was not really a/t new that i dint know before. on the other hand i did not know this stuff in 9th and i wud have loved to have heared it then that prob beingthe time i needed to hear it. k so i get the pre'scholers thing but i think once ur in hs its a good time to hear it
diva Posted - 05 June 2007 0:29
the torah is a flashlight in the darkness hashem created the world he knows whats gonna happen he knows whats best for us why not do what he says to do
iguana Posted - 06 June 2007 1:39
this kinda doesn't have anything to do but where can i get R' Mechanic's tapes?
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