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|Curious123||Posted - 13 December 2010 23:26
Do you think it really matter if my sleeves are an inch shorter then my elbow, or 2 inches shorter? i know the halacha says to cover till the elbow but for real, an inch or two matters?!
|Hu hakol yachol||Posted - 20 December 2010 1:42
Does it really matter if one person is singing one note off in a choir of twenty? I know that a professional choir is supposed to sound synchronized and perfect, but for real, one note, or even two, matters? It's almost nothing!!
|taon||Posted - 29 December 2010 23:54
Ask a surgeon, or architect, or any number of professions of an inch or two matters. That's in physical matters, spiritual matters are much more precise because they are more fundametal. Also, there naturally has to be a dividing line between tznius and not tznius, so it must come to an inch or so somewhere.
|soulrebel||Posted - 29 December 2010 23:54
It overall makes your arms look thinner and longer, and draws attention to your torso
- fashion-obsessed person I know
I think that's the idea
|rayray||Posted - 07 January 2011 2:53
is the halacha to your elbow or halfway to your elbow and we say elbow to be careful- fence around torah thing
and before you answer i want a source not a rabbi said so but the gemoras source or the mishna or the torah itself
"Luck is where preparation meets opportunity"- Ed Hardy
|ProudlyJewish||Posted - 07 January 2011 2:53
Someone who's on a diet can only eat X number of calories. If they say 'just one more cookie' the whole jar might be empty in minutes.
The point is you can always say 'Just a little more', but eventually your sleeve will be gone entirely.
The point is that there is a standard, and if we keep by it and don't say 'just a little more', we will always look tznius :)
Moshiach Now! :)
|taon||Posted - 17 January 2011 23:43
The Halacha is the elbow. i do not know if it is a fence or not. i don't think it is.
What does it matter if it's said by later authorities, it's not like they are inventing it? A source in in Gemora Brachos, Chaf-something or Mem-something.
|sternberg4ever||Posted - 07 July 2011 23:44
why does it matter so much if the sleeve is just a drop above your elbow? I get what e/o is saying, like the choir and surgeon, but why does Hashem care so much? its gonna be my problem
|soulrebel||Posted - 18 August 2011 22:06
Somewhere along the line, I learned that Hashem cares more about Bein Adam Lachaveiro, and while that's technically "your problem" too...maybe it's the idea? IDK, just a guess
|angelprincess||Posted - 23 August 2011 22:33
ya why does it matter so much for me i always find tznius a thing people accouse the other of not being it's all hypocrassy like if you tell someone their dressed inaproitly they will not bother telling you that you're dressed bad too or something like that like the people who genernally critize me for being dressed not tznuisly are usually older women who are wearing stuff you would say are much worse...
|taon||Posted - 31 August 2011 23:46
stealing is also like that.
|soulrebel||Posted - 09 September 2011 3:16
Stealing hurts another person. Some girl dressed untzniusly won't harm anyone. It's apples and oranges.
|soulrebel||Posted - 15 September 2011 23:35
It's somthing concrete and easy to judge. No one can feel 100% sure about judging something abstract, like someone else's kavana or yiras shamayim....but something as easy to see and be sure about, like a knee or elbow? The judge's panel wil have a lot of people on it!
AP, I know what you're talking about and you're right. While I could logically analyze it and explain it step by step, I'll sum it up: it's THEIR problem, not yours. Avoid these people and both you and them will be happier for it
|patoodle||Posted - 15 September 2011 23:35
soul rebel - It is like comparing apples and oranges, but it is still harmful. Stealing harms others physically, but dressing immodestly harms others spiritually.
|soulrebel||Posted - 28 September 2011 2:56
Patoodle, tznius no longer means modest. Tznius means sticking to specific dress rules. Modesty is relative; tznius isn't.
|patoodle||Posted - 19 October 2011 4:16
From what I understand, modesty and tznius are used interchangeably.
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