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|simcha613||Posted - 19 May 2008 23:50
I'm still young (only 21) and still in Yeshiva but I can't help thinking about careers. I'm torn between going into chinuch, rabanus, or clinical psychology. I plan on going to semicha at RIETS regardless be"H... but I'm not sure what to do career wise. My two main questions are which one can I do better (which you can't really help me on) and what does the frum community (modern/centrist orthodox right, yeshivish, and charedi) need more? So basically my question is... what do you think the frum community needs more... a rebbe or a frum psychologist?
|wannabe||Posted - 23 May 2008 20:10
omg i totally have the same question- whats better, a teacher or a therapist? k im waiting to hear what people have to say on this one...
|U.S.||Posted - 23 May 2008 20:10
I would imagine this is the same dilemma Rabbi/Doctor Twerski (who I think is AMAZING) had to go through. In my opinion, why not do both!?!
|satinsword13||Posted - 02 June 2008 16:40
rebbi. totally. so many people whoi nmeed therapists just need a good rebbi. and theres more of a shortage of good rebbis than good therapists.
|torahtemima||Posted - 04 June 2008 0:05
The frum community needs both, especially frum male psychologists. The frum community desperately needs more psychologists who are willing to deal with teens. I hear it's hard to find a frum therapist who's willing to deal with teenage girls, they tend to be the hardest and most sensitive age.
If you have a degree, you can easily be a Rebbe as well, and get more money that way. If you live in Eretz Yisrael, you will probably be paid according to your level of education.
|thinkingitover||Posted - 11 June 2008 23:20
i mean, where i live, there are many more male frum therapists than female, and they're all willing to deal with teens - both girls and boys.
i guess i should be counting my brachos...
|Torah=MayimChayim||Posted - 13 June 2008 13:17
The focuses are very different. The Rebbi is one who is steeped in Torah all day long, and he deals with people based on Torah knowledge. He gives eitzos, yes, but his primary role is learning Torah. A psychologist focuses primarily on "giving eitzos"--although those eitzos are based on a well-established science instead of directly from the Torah (although there can be overlap, which is a different discussion). He must be in constant contact with rebbeim to make sure he is acting b'derech HaTorah, but the focus is never going to be the same as a rebbe.
As far as which role you should adopt, the question is difficult. Like you said, I can't help you decide what you would be better at. And you can see there's already a difference in opinions based on whether there is a greater need for rebbeim or psychologists (I vote for psychologists, but maybe I'm biased as a psych major myself :-)).
I think that the biggest difference between the professions is your audience. As a Rabbi, you'd have a community of mostly adults asking for your eitzah. If you were in chinuch, those would mostly be children and their parents. If you were a psychologist, they could be either children or adults who are coming to you not for eitzah, but for treatment (like going to a doctor).
The frum community is not going to benefit from a person adopting a certain type of position. The frum community is going to benefit from a person adopting a position in which he will best be able to perform. I say you focus on what you can do first, and then worry about the needs of the community.
Hope that helps!
|MODERATOR||Posted - 13 June 2008 13:46
My advice is, unless the financial aspect is your consideration, to become a rebbi. Two reasons:
1) A psychologist learns and disseminates secular knowledge; a Rebbi learns ans disseminates Torah. Therefore, its more spiritually profitable to be a rebbi; and
2) Psychologists have great nisyonos in halacha and hashkafa that even frum practitioners are nichshal in regularly. Being in constant contact with a rav is not enough; you need to be able to know on your own (a) what material you are learning is against the Torah's beliefs (and there will be many), (b) disbelieve those teachings (this, in my experience with frum psychologists is the hardest part) and (c) know wherre there is a shailah to ask your rav.
|FlippedOutFish||Posted - 15 June 2008 18:17
If you have the hava amina to be a Rebbi and or can be a Rebbi. Then i would say you have
to be a Rebbi and that should be your choice.
Assuming that you want to be the best eved hashem you can be here is 21 reasons to become a Rebbi instead of a Physcologist:
1)A rebbi when hes in action usually would be learning torah all day a therapist would not.
The Gemara in Nedarim 55a at tells us "Once a person makes himself like a midbar=wilderness in that he is mufkar lakol-open to everyone to teach them Torah then the Torah will be given to him as a matanah..And once it is given to him as a gift then hakadosh barch hoo will give it to him as a nachalah - inheritance..And once hakadosh baruch hoo makes the Torah an inheritance to him, oleh legdolah-he rises to greatness."
People can attain Gadlus BTorah through diffrent ways but in choice between a Rebbi and a Therapist a Rebbi will increase youre chances.
|thinkingitover||Posted - 15 June 2008 18:17
i thought that simcha was asking (a) rebbe (i.e. teacher - not rabbi) or (b) psychologist.
and r' mod - what about if the psychologist is a rav? like rabbi twerski? (i know others as well, but he's well known...)
|taon||Posted - 25 June 2008 17:35
Okay, but which to focus on? it svery hard to focus equally on both the Rabbincal duties and physchiatry.
questions? go here:
|cheers!||Posted - 30 June 2008 18:15
not answering this question but just wanted to add something...
a rebbe and a psychologist are very very different and fill very very different roles. while they can overlap at times, a good rebbe does NOT take the place of a good psychologist and vice versa. while perhaps a good rebbe may be able to prevent someone from needing a psychologist (maybe, possibly...) most ppl who need a psychologist need more, or at least differnt than just a good rebbe...
just thought id mention that...
|taon||Posted - 04 July 2008 1:50
outside of medication, i've seen that a good rebbe can take the place of a psychologist.
questions? go here:
|depressedAngel||Posted - 06 July 2008 20:46
taon- it really depends for what issue
|cheers!||Posted - 09 July 2008 20:32
i agree w/ da.
i think that's a very dangerous thing to say taon... a rebbe can definitely be helpful in multiple ways but i know of MANY rabbonim who've recommended for ppl to be in therapy. a rav/rebbe does not have the training that a therapist has and while he can be very helpful from a torah hashkafoh he is not able to conduct a therapy session and bring about the same results that a trained therapist can. obviously it is crucial for the therapist to have a proper torah perspective, but i think it's almost naive to say that a rav can do all that a therapist can aside for medication...
|FlippedOutFish||Posted - 14 July 2008 23:27
What taon said is not dangerous at all and may be very true to qoute taon- "i've seen that a good rebbe" i think ive seen a lot too.
Everyone may be different but certain Rabbonim especially Gedolei Torah posses things that will truly help someone in place of a Psychologist. Let me ask you something if one had a problem and the CHAZON ISH told you to do one thing and some Pyschologist or therapist told you to do another who would you listen too? One will listen to the Chazon Ish even if a doctor who studied surgery his whole life says to take an operation one way but the Chazon Ish says to take it another way even though the Chazon Ish never picked up a Surgery book in his life one will listen to the Chazon Ish. This was an example of how its actually better to listen to a type of Good Rebbi instead of a doctor even for Medical issues.If thats the way for something medical or life and death situation than for sure in regard to things such as eitzas or psychological problems or shalom bayis issues.
But thats the Chazon Ish the question what if youre Rebbi is not the Chazon Ish what if he is the Skverer Rebbe or what if hes not even that and just a regular Rebbi .The answer i think is it depends on what the person himself is willing to do and trust if a person is will to trust his Rebbi than he should do what he says if he is willing to trust a Therapist more than he should go to the therapist.
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