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MODERATOR Posted - 05 February 2008 23:29
This is for Divrei Torah about Purim and Adar in general. This is NOT for "Purim Torah' though due to the philosophical between the line reading going on in the minds of Frumteeners everywhere, the difference is, admittedly, almost null.
wannabe Posted - 10 February 2008 7:22
uhhh... what's purim torah?
taon Posted - 10 February 2008 19:07
It's hard to explain...usually it's in the form of a ridiculous question asked completley seriously, using the normal principles of deriving halcha. Then the answer is given using the same nonsensical logic, yet the train of thought fits the wa we suually think perfectly, so it almsot makes sense, but doesn't. Basically, you'd usually know it when you see it. I have, however, seen the same absurd logic and questions used in complete seriousness to justify things obviously prohibited.
yankeeinkneesox Posted - 13 February 2008 17:29
Sorry totally confused...could you give an example?
...if I find anything interesting about Purim I will B"N share it!
cheers! Posted - 13 February 2008 22:45
lol mod!! so much for no purim torah, u have a whole thread o ppl talking abt what purim torah is... ;)
taon Posted - 13 February 2008 22:45
Purim Torah can range from offensive jokes to secular issues discussed in format, and don't have to be about Purim. I was able to find kosher Purim Torah on the topic of purim from the Chof-k, which I've heard spread around. It doesn't have the suthor's name, so if anyone knows please say. Remember, this is only for the purpose of an example, this thread was specifically designated for real Torah. To make up for this I'll see if I can get a real Dvar Torah

"It is customary to relate Divrei Torah on Purim but in line with Purim being turned
upside down, these Divrei Torah seldom follow any logic and usually are based on a
misreading or misunderstanding of the original intent of the verses quoted. Some are
better understood and some are even comical but all are intended only to add to the
frivolity of this happiest day and no offense is meant or intended. Since not everyone
has Hebrew fonts, I could not write the Hebrew words in those fonts, and had to
transliterate those words. Please try to understand that this might cause some
difficulty in understanding the innermost or difficult meaning to these pearls of

"6) From where did the Talmud learn that one who prays for someone else is
answered first by Hashem
Since Haman prepared the gallows for Mordechai and he was the first to use
it. This is alluded to in the verse Al Haitz Asher Hasichin Lo.
7) We have a rule that preparing something for a specific Mitzvah does not
necessarily reserve it only for the Mitzvah. Where is this alluded to in the Megillah?
Because Haman prepared the gallows for Mordechai and then got to use it
8) The rule is that one may not call a father for an Aliya immediately after his son
and vice versa. Why were the Jews allowed to call up Haman and his ten sons
The reason we may not call them together is because we are concerned of an
Ayin Hara, an evil eye. We learned that a Sukah or a Chanukiyah may not be placed
higher than twenty Amos because the eye doesn't reach that high. Since the tree was
fifty Amos high, there was no fear of an evil eye.
Another more complicated answer is that Mordechai had bought Haman as a
slave when he didn't have any bread during one of the wars. Since everything the
slave owns belongs to his master, on Purim everything is in reverse, which means that
everything the master owns belongs to the slave. Mordechai was from the tribe of
Benjamin, whose brother Yossef was blessed by Yaacov to be above the Ayin Hara
and that referred also to Benjamin. Since Haman was Mordechai's slave, he too fell
under that blessing and was not concerned about an evil eye.
9) We read in the Megillah Venoach B’Arbaah Assar Yom. How did Noach get
into the Megillah?
Haman needed a tree fifty cubits high and went searching for it. The only tree
that high was in Noach's Ark which was fifty Amos wide. Noah and his three son's
wouldn't give Haman the tree once they heard what it was intended for, but Haman
and his ten sons were much stronger. They pulled so hard until they pulled Noach into
the Megillah.
10) But there seems to be some Halachic discrepancy here. According to the
Hallacha we must give every person 4 Amos when he dies. Haman and his ten sons
each needed four Amos which totaled 44 Amos. We must also separate two corpses
from each other by at least one Amah which would demand another ten Amos between
them, so far we need 54 Amos. We may not hang someone less than three Amos close
to the ground so that the dogs don't jump up and eat them. Neither may we hang them
three Amos near the top so that the birds do not eat them. We would therefore need a
total of 60 Amos to hang 11 people, while the tree was only 50 Amos high?
The answer given is that it is written Gavoah Chamishim Amah. When we add
the letters Gvoah which equals ten to the word Chamishim (fifty) we have a total of
11) Haman wanted to hang only Mordechai, why then did he need a tree 50 Amos
Haman knew that he Jews received the Torah only on the fiftieth day after 49
days of cleansing themselves of the Tumah in Mitzrayim. He knew that if he could
separate Mordechai who was their leader at that time, 50 Amos from the Jews, they
would again be vulnerable and he would succeed in his plan.
Another reason given is that the Mishna teaches we must remove a dead
animal 50 Amos from the city. Since this tree would eventually be used for Haman, he
prepared it for himself, according to the Mishna."

taon Posted - 18 February 2008 17:22
since i took th example from that pamphlet, i decided to take real Torah from the serious section of that pamphlet. interesting things, the questions are old but the answers are new becuase you usually hear aout this as kids and never think it gets more comlicated

Why did Esther tell Mordechai to have the Jews fast for three days?
Because Hashem doesn't let a Tzadik suffer for more than three days. This is seen
when Rachav told the two spies sent by Yehoshua to hide for three days, and Hashem
answered Yonah in the fish after three days. If the Bnay Yisroel fasted for three days
as a sign of true Teshuva, Hashem will surely relent and annul Haman's decree.
Another reason is, because in three days there are seventy two hours, the same
number as the name of Hashem which represents mercy.
What did Esther mean by the word Vetzumu Oleye, fast on me?
This is the same word used by Rivka when Yaacov questioned her suggestion that
he don Esauv’s clothing, when he will appear before his father for a blessing, She told
him, "This is on my responsibility." Esther said the same thing to Mordechai. "I know
that in order to fast for three days, you will have to forego making a Seder those two
nights, but I am taking responsibility for that. On my account you should tell the Bnay
Yisroel to fast." That is why it says VaYaavore Mordechai, which means that he
transgressed. Since he had to do what Esther has requested, he and the Bnay Yisroel
didn't perform the Mitzvos of eating Matzah and Morror and drinking the four cups of
wine, but they transgressed under the rule of Horaas Shaah, an emergency ruling.
When Purim falls on Sunday we fast on the previous Thursday. Why don't we fast
on Friday?
Because the only public fast which may be held on Friday is that of the Tenth of
Why don't we fast three days according to the original fast?
Because we do not impose harsh decrees on the public. In those days it was
absolutely necessary to fast in order to annul the decree, but today we fast only to
commemorate that fast and we may be more lenient.
Another reason is that Esther had proclaimed her fast in Nissan as was mentioned
earlier, and we do not fast during the month of Nissan. Today we fast in Adar, Erev
Purim, and it has its own ramifications and parameters.
Another reason is that we fast to remember that the Bnay Yisroel fasted on the day
they went to war. Since they fasted only one day, on the thirteenth day of Adar, we
also fast only on this one day.
Machtzis Hashekel
Why is it a custom to give three half coins, called Machtzis Hashekel, before
reading the Megilla?
This is to remember what we learned in the Mishna, During the month of Adar
everyone had to give three Shekalim to the Bais Hamikdash. This money was used to
buy the communal Korbonos such as the daily Tamid and the Korban Mussaf on
Shabbos and Yom Tov.
Why do we give three coins?
Because in Parshas Kee Seesaw where Hashem commanded the Bnay Yisroel to
give the Machtzis Hashekel. the word Terumah, contribution, is mentioned three
What coins are used for this Machtzis Hashekel?
Page 10
Whichever coin is called half of the coin of the realm. For instance in the U.S.A. it
would be a half dollar coin. In Israel it is called a half Shekel, and so it is in every
Why give only half a Shekel?
The Shekel the Bnay Yisroel gave at that time was to atone for their giving gold to
make the golden calf. Since the women didn't give any money or their jewelry, only
the men had to give this money. A man and woman are considered as one and by
exempting the wives, only half the family had to give the Shekel, which is called
Machtzis Hashekel?
What is done with this money?
It is given to the poor.
Why do we give these coins only on Purim?
Because that is when everyone comes to the Shul to hear the Megilla.
Why do we give only half a coin and not a whole one?
This will teach us the importance of unity. No one should say that I am complete
and do not need anyone else. By giving half a coin, we are saying that we are only
half and need the other person to complete the other half. This same philosophy holds
true with regards to the Torah. No single Jew can possibly keep all the Mitzvos. A
Kohain cannot perform Pidyon Haben and a city dweller cannot keep all the Mitzvos
which have to do with what grows in the field. But as long as there is unity among the
people and everyone feels himself as part of a whole, then everyone gladly shares his
Mitzvos with others. Thereby, all the Mitzvos could be performed by the Jewish
The Megilla
Why is the scroll called a Megilla?
Because it means revealed, it was at this time that it was revealed to all the hand of
Hashem in the affairs of this world.
Why do we recite Al Mikra Megillah and not Lishmoah Mikrah Megilah as we say
before sounding the Shofar, Lishmoah Kol Shofar?
The difference is that we must hear the sound of the Shofar in order to fulfill our
obligation. However, one who reads the Megilla silently and understood what he read,
has fulfilled his obligation even if he didn't hear it read.
{skipping a part, it's halachos mostly, check with your Rabbi :)}

Why do we make noise every time we hear the name Haman?
This is in compliance with the verse Veshaim Reshaiim Yirkov, the name of the
wicked shall be blotted out. Another reason is, because Haman was a direct
descendant of Amalek, about whom we were instructed to wipe out his name. In some
Shuls when they finish reading Parsha Kee Saitzay
(Devorim 25:17)
, where this Mitzvah is
commanded, the children stamp with their feet. It is also a Minhag in many Shuls to
read the entire Chumash Devorim on the evening before Hoshannah Rabba. At this
same point, they stamp their feet to blot out his memory. In Europe, in some
communities they would draw a chalk caricature of Haman on a blackboard and erase
it while others stamped their feet.
Some Tzadikim would try out a new pen by writing the name Amalek and then
scratch it out. Others would write the name Amalek on the sole of their shoes and
walk on them.
Why isn't Hashem's name mentioned in the Megilla?
Since the Megilla was translated and included in the official documents and history
of Persia and Modeye they didn't want Hashem's name appearing there. There was
also the fear that in translating, they would use the name of their deity instead of
Hashem and this would turn the story into one of theirs.

interesting. As a kid i was always told the answer is becuase Hashem was hidden. here it talks about other reasons, and says Hashem was revealed. but it's not a contradiction. when would you say do we celebrate when Hashem was most revealed? Pesach, particularly at the yam. And there, in the haggadah Hashem is mentioned but not Moshe. Thi is to show that it was Hashem who did it, not a person doing even some of it. how could we make such a mistake? we could if we wanted to. why did Moshe say the final makah would come around midnight? becuase if the mitzrim had their calculations a bit off, they would think it wasnt at midnight, and say Moshe was lying. that's crazy talk, but if people wan to ignore something, they will. And so the nations, with a few exceptions like Yisro and Rachav, ignored it. maybe they said it was their idols, natural phenomenon, a hoax, a lie, whatever ridiculous answer they'd feel cmomfortale with. and so if someone wanted to, they could use the name of Moshe to say Moshe orchestrated Yetzias Mitzraim. whichever he or she wanted to. that's free will. the same with Purim. most of the miracles were hidden, but the story, and the fact Hashem guided it, were not. people had a choice, and still do. ignore it, or learn what you are supposed to from it. make excuses or try to understand and see. it's easy to see it as arur mordechai baruch haman, curse mordechai and bless haman. the nations then did. venoshvochu, upside down. that's what purim is about. people can, if they wan tto, see things the opposite way of how they are. they can twist crazy tales that turn ever event upside down. but they're only fooling themselves. when the masks come off after Purim, we see the truth that was always there. Are you going to be inspired, or turn the television louder so you cant hear the obvious truth? Look at the parshiyos Purim falls around. the eigel hazahav, the golden calf. people wanted to believe Moshe was gone, so they did. people wna to believe the Jews all worshipped avodah zarah then, so they do. but at the time they had good intentions. and only a relatively small group, mostly erev rav, did it. this is obvious form the parsha f you look behind the mask, and see what's written before your eyes. The halachos of the Mishkan and Bais hamikdash. Do they affect us today? if you listen to the messsages, the lessons behind everything, they do.


questions? go here:

learning2live Posted - 18 February 2008 20:09
i didn't get a chance to read the whole thing yet, but THANK YOU TAON!!!
Growth is life Posted - 28 February 2008 18:31
why was it necessary for mordichai to declare a fast on pesach,taking away the mitzvah of eating matzah?
wouldn't it make more sense for him to say to bnei yisroel to make sure to keep pesach real well because you need all the zechuyos you can get?
the answer is that they just got an instant inspiration: they were all going to die and their gadol hador ripped his clothes in mourning. if they would've waited even a few days, until chol hamoed, they would've lost their inspiration and not have done teshuva with as much sincerety as they did, and they wouldn't have been saved. mordichai understood this and we must also. if you get inspired you must act on it right away otherwise you will loose your inspiration. happy purim
NDANESH100 Posted - 05 March 2008 22:16
Purim is a Rabbinic holiday celebrated on the 14th of Adar to commemorate the survival of the Jewish people against the decree of Haman around 2500 years ago after the destruction of the first temple. It is important to keep in mind that at the time almost the entire Jewish population was under the rule of Achashverosh. This meant that the decree would have wiped out Jewery altogether. Hence the significance of Purim.
Lets try to look at Purim from a deeper perspective:
Purim is the holiday in which Hashem’s hand is revealed through seemingly natural means. Lets look at this more deeply. There is an idea in Jewish thought that whatever word is not in the Torah, that word is only an illusion and not a reality in and of itself. Incidently the word teva which means nature does not exist in the Torah. This should not be misunderstood. Nature does exist but not as an independent power of itself. When a leaf falls from a tree we tend to think nature did it. However, from a Jewish perspective even the smallest happening in the world is guided by Hashem. It is interesting that one of the pre-requisites for a person to be able to do miracles is that he should not see nature. What does this mean? It means that if you drop something from your hand and it goes up instead of down you shouldnt be the least bit surprised. Because it is Hashem who runs the world and not nature. This is the kind of person who is able to perform miracles. Ofcourse none of us today are on this level however we should try our best to train our mind to see Hashems hand in everything.
How does this relate to Purim? Well if one reads the Megillah carefully he/she will realize that Hashems name is not mentioned! Not even once! Why is this so? To teach us to look for Hashem where He is not so easy to find. One can read the Megillah and say it all happened by chance. However, if one calculates the chances of so many things falling into place then he/she would be foolish to conclude that it was a coincidence. Seeing through nature and through coincidences is what the Megillah is all about. In fact the word Megillah comes from the word “megaleh” which means to reveal and the word ester comes from the word “nistar” which means hidden, hence Megillat Ester literally means revealing that which is hidden!
This is the deep meaning for why we wear costumes on Purim. A mask covers the identity and hence the existence of the other person. It is only when we lift the mask that we can see who is behind it. Our costumes are symbolic of Hashems costume (nature) which is the world itself. In fact the Hebrew word for world is “olam” comes from the world “elem” meaning hidden. We say in our prayers “melech Holam” king of universe, it can also be read “melech Haelem” king of hiddenness. Words such a luck, coincidence and nature hide the presence of Hashem and it is our job to see through the mask and reveal Hshems presence in the world.
In the Shema prayer which says “Hear Israel Hashem our G-d is one” the letters “ayin” and “daled” are written in large fonts. This is not only in the siddur it is also written this way in the Torah. This is because those two letters spell the word “ed” which means witness in Hebrew. When is a witness needed? It is only when something is not revealed. And in the case of Hashem we as Jewish people have to be witnesses to his existence, hence the large “ayin” and Daled”. That is a Jewish person’s role in this world. We have to reveal Hashem in a world that hides him.
As we all know for every good there is a bad. And in the case of coincidences and doubt Amalek is that force. How do we know this? Well there is an idea in Jewish thought that the first time something is mentioned in the torah it tells us its specific role in the world. When is Amalek first mentioned in the Torah? In the Torah after the people complained to Moshe about water, hence showing their DOUBT in Hashem it says “and Amalek happened upon you” What does it mean happened upon you? Why doesn’t the verse say Amalek attacked you? The reason is that Hashem relates to the world as the world relates to it. Therefore, just as the people doubted Hashem after seeing all those miracles, hence saying it may all have been by chance, Hashem says in the verse and Amalek happened upon you meaning happened by chance. Amalek is the force in the world that creates doubt in the existence of Hashem. We know that in Hebrew any two words that have the same numerical value have to be related in some way. The words “Amalek and “safek” (meaning doubt) have the same numerical value. Amalek creates doubt and doubt causes confusion which leads to all kinds of problems. After Adam ate from the tree it says that he hid. He was so confused that he thought he can hide from Hashem. What did Hashem do? Hashem played along ( as we said before Hashem relates to the world as the world relates to Him) Hashem asked “Ayeka” which means where are you? (Incidently this is the first word of the megillah we read on tisha beav, hinting that the only way the temple will be rebuilt is by increasing faith and descreasing doubt). Then Hashem asks “Hamin Haetz”? Which means did you eat from the tree? Remarkably we see Hamans name here. “Hamin” meaning did u and Haman are spelled the same and being that the Torah has no vowels, it can be read either way. Again we see a connection with Amalek (Haman) and doubt (hamin? Did you?). The Gemara (chullin 139b) goes on to look for Esters name in the Torah. The Pasuk says “Astir Hastir panim” on that day I shall hide my face (Devarim 31:18). We see Esters name here. It can not be more clear than this. Ester’s name comes from nastir which means to hide. On Purim Hashems name is hidden ( it is not even mentioned in the Megillah). And the Pasuk in the Torah which mentions Esters names says Hashem says “on that day I shall hide my face”. In fact this is another reference to Hashems hiddenness on Purim and our custom to resemble that by wearing costumes on purim.
Drinking on Purim
Another custom of Purim is to drink. In fact is says in the Gemara that one should drink until He cant tell the difference between blessed be Mordachai and cursed be Haman. The is that it is not enough to reveal Hashem on Purim. It is our job to show that everything comes from him. If we read the beginning of the Megilah Ester we might ask why is Hashem letting this happen to his people? However if we keep on reading and see the ending we can see that every curse turned into a blessing for us and Ester married Achashverosh from whom came Cyrus who rebuilt the Temple! Everything happens for good. Unless we have a chance to do something about it we must accept the bad as it comes. In the Torah the Parasha where Yosef asks the brothers to leave Benyamin with them is separated from the parasha where yosef reveals himself by a few verses. The Chafetz Chaim asks why did the Rabbis separate the two Parshiyot? Couldn’t they have combined them? He answers that the Rabbis separated the two parshiyot to show us that the end result is not always seen immediately. When yosef said that Benyamin is staying with him until they bring his father the brothers must have thought to themselves “what did we do to deserve this? Why is Hashem doing this to us?”. However with just two words “ani yosef” ( I am yosef) it all made sense. Similarly when Moshiach comes all the troubles of the world will make sense when Hashem reveals himself and says “ani hashem” ( I am Hashem). When a person drinks the same thing happens. You forget the troubles and the depression. The challenge is to use that as a standard in everyday life and feel that way without drinking well. Drinking wine has other deep meanings as well. Why is it that we always start a spiritual holiday with Kiddush over wine? Well a Holiday such as Shabbat is a mix of physical and spiritual entities. The point of holidays are to lift our physical activities to the level of the spiritual. A persons spiritual level gets better with age (if he/she works on his/herself), however all physical things get worse with time. The only exception is wine. Wine is a physical thing which gets better with time thus symbolizing the mixture of the physical and spiritual. The saying is you are what you eat. In this case it is also you are what you drink. Physically what you eat or drink becomes a part of you and we hope that by keeping this in mind the unique characteristic of wine being able to mix the physical with the spiritual will become a part of us as well.
Another unique characteristic of wine is that it has to be stored in either a barrel or glass. It can not be stored in gold or silver. That will ruin both the wine and the vessel! Thus wine teaches us the lesson that it is what is on the inside that counts. And if the vessel (gold) is more precious than its content (wine) then both the vessel and the content become ruined. This is once again related to Purim and our custom of wearing costumes. A costume hides the outside and the vessel which is our body and our material belongings, it forces others to look through the body and the material belongings to the inside of others and place value on what the person really is instead of what he/she looks like or what he/she possesses.
I am still working on this article it is not finished yet. Comments and replys are greatly appreciated.
u gotta try Posted - 31 March 2008 17:38
wow NDANESHH this is amazing!!! you sound like a genius!
MODERATOR Posted - 03 March 2009 18:46
Moving this up for Purim.
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