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ft678 Posted - 06 December 2007 23:27
If we have the ability to pass every test, why aren't we expected to be perfect? How can it be that it's ok to fall if we have to do what Hashem says? I know we're not expected to be perfect, I know that it's normal to fall. But why?
MODERATOR Posted - 07 December 2007 0:02
We aren't expected to be perfect becuase Hashem is Keil Rachamim, merciful. Though we may have the ability, we also have challenges, and reaching that ability can be hard. We have to build up to it. We were also created with weaknesses. Hashem understands this. And so "A tzaddik falls 7 times, and rises". We aren't expected to win every battle even though we technically have the ability. We are expected to do our best and learn from experience.
MODERATOR Posted - 07 December 2007 0:40
In addition, the phrase "we have the ability to pass every test" is misleading. It is not correct that we can always overcome the Yetzer Horah. Sometimes it is too strong and we are considered "anusim" (Rav Tzadok proves this from see Kesuvos 57b ( I think it is) - yitzra albesha, and Rashi there). However, we must try our best to always win. The idea that "hashem doesnt send a nisayon that we cannot pass" is not stated anywhere in that way. All it says in chazal is that Hashem does not have unreasonable expectations (ain hakodosh baruch hu ba betrunya im briosav). While it may be true that Hashem does not give us a nisayon that we cannot pass, because its unfair of him not to, all that means is that if oyu do encounter a temptation too hard to resist, that it was not a nisayon and you were nto expected to pass.

Again, however, we have no right to assume atemptation is too hard, and we are expected to put in our best effort no matter what.

m@m Posted - 11 December 2007 1:21
i just read this over and i really dont get this. the fact that we are not always capable of passing every temptation that comes our way is new to me. did i get this straight? if its true then how do i ever know if i should feel bad about something i did and do teshuva on it? rabbi mod-please reply-this is really messing me up
taon Posted - 11 December 2007 15:39
I may have misunderstood, but it seems to me that the Moderator was saying that we don't always win the battle and that sometimes we fail. that's all.

taon

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Matisyohu28 Posted - 11 December 2007 15:39
while i dont know if all of us have the ability to pass every single test - a part of the test is learning how to pass tests. i think that if hashem gives you a test, and you cant pass it for some reason, you shouldnt just forget about it and dismiss it by saying you cant do it, but rather you should train yourself, or seek advice and learn how to pass it next time.

Mussar teaches you how to live. But learning bava kama is living! - Rav Avigdor Miller ZT'L

MODERATOR Posted - 12 December 2007 3:25
m@m is right. We are not always capable of withstanding every temptation that comes our way. However, we cannot assess this on our own and are obligated to fight our strongest against all temptations.
MODERATOR Posted - 12 December 2007 3:27
As far as teshuva goes, as I said, we are obliges to assume that we coud have passed unless otherwise proven.
JewishAndProud! Posted - 26 October 2008 0:30
Passing a Test and Being Perfect-those two concepts are completely different!

If one passes a test-that does not mean that person is now suddenly flawless!

Think of it like this..

HASHEM=Perfect, no flaws whatsoever. (THE ONLY ENTITY THAT CAN EVER BE CONSIDERED PERFECT IS HASHEM).
Our goal in life is to try to become like HASHEM.
Q: How can we be like HASHEM? How can we be perfect like HIM?
A: By passing our tests, we become closer to him.
BECOMING CLOSER TO HIM=MORE PERFECT-because you are one step closer to your goal.

CONCLUSION:
By facing our challenges...and passing them...we are one step closer to HASHEM, and being like HIM.
Passing our tests LEADS to being perfect.


That's how I think of it.
It makes sense in my head.

The user name says it all...

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